Curse

Shadowmoon · Oct 13, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Similar to the syncing in RA thread, what can really be done. Well the closest thing to punishment is the past is the QQ disqualifaction. But from what it sounds like, guilds involved are not interested in the AT, so disqualifying them would be pointless. Then there suggestions for completely changing the enter mission system. I doubt they really want to do this because it been around so long, and everywhere in the game. Plus they dont' have the man power to overhaul it.
Then come banning. Usually the only things that leads to banning are third party hacks and dire effects on the economy. No third party hacks are used in it, and title points have no effect on the economy.

maraxusofk · Oct 13, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Earlier I posted a reply to this thread which was me laughing my heart out at the next level of players EXPLOITING THE GAME MECHANIC to gain advantage over other players.

plz explain how abusing the gvg syncing is gaining an advantage over other players. nobody gets beaten and it is just the ppl syncing wit each other to boost their titles. does having a title count as an advantage? does it give a boost to their stats or skills ala eotn? do tell sir.

Sai Rith · Oct 13, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

High-end GvGer's don't even care about champ title. If they need another member, they already know who is legit, or they look for people with references that they know and heard of.

Reverend Dr · Oct 13, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Remove champ points from Ladder matches, Tournament matches only!

Yes, I like this.

romeus petrus · Oct 13, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13

I don't see how this is any different from syncing RA or buying fame in HA. I agree that the champ point service is directed towards PvEers who otherwise have no way of getting that title into their HoM.

fenix · Oct 14, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

So farming it for HoM makes it okay to do now? Nice joke. This should be fixed with the guilds who are doing it deleted.

Lycan Nibbler · Oct 14, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by fenix

So farming it for HoM makes it okay to do now? Nice joke. This should be fixed with the guilds who are doing it deleted.

Maybe they should also delete the players profiting from making and selling the champ and trimmed guilds also...

Raul the Rampant · Oct 14, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Hmm, that link ALF71BE supplied was pretty interesting. Given that the cost is 4 zkeys per point I think we now have the definitive argument for giving the champion track it's own emote.

OT: While I don't argue that this type of activity is against the spirit of the game, I can't say that it's detrimental to anyone. Sure, it cheapens the title for everyone who got it legitimately, but that's happened in every other title already anyway. But as Shadowmoon pointed out most people only take it to r3 for the HoM... serious GvGers get well beyond that anyway. So the lower levels of the title that didn't really mean anything to begin with mean even less now. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

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Originally Posted by fenix

So farming it for HoM makes it okay to do now?

So you're saying this was the only part of the HoM that the designers intended to be filled without farming? Farm enough gold and you can buy your way to every other thing in there...

fenix · Oct 14, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Pretty sure when they designed the Champion title, and the HoM, they didn't sit down and think to themselves "this title is pretty easily farmed, lets make it rank 3 to display it".

You're dumb.

Martin Alvito · Oct 14, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by fenix

Pretty sure when they designed the Champion title, and the HoM, they didn't sit down and think to themselves "this title is pretty easily farmed, lets make it rank 3 to display it".

You're dumb.

Evidence in favor of this argument: the preview weekend HoM required r12 Hero and r9 of every other PvP title.

Agonized screaming in the community got them to reduce these to manageable levels, but clearly the intent of the designers was for putting something in HoM to be an accomplishment.

fenix · Oct 14, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Exactly. It was originally done to reward those who are high ranked, and in the case of Champion, good at GvG. Not to reward those who pay guilds and abuse game flaws.

Yichi · Oct 14, 2008, 04:13 AM // 04:13

shit players w/ champ title will still be shit players w/ champ title.

This title has long been diminished of any real value when anet decided to lower the champoint range from 1500 to 1200. It was nothing but Champ point pugs from then on...

romeus petrus · Oct 14, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Yichi

shit players w/ champ title will still be shit players w/ champ title.

Exactly, titles don't make a good player.

The introduction of titles to HoM turned the entire game into a grind fest (HA,Allegiance..), and a gold sink (Wisdom, Zrank..). And that includes both PvE and PvP titles. Why should this be any different.

Titles = Epic Phail regardless of what titles are the ones in question. Some just happen to be more of an epic phail than others.

Raul the Rampant · Oct 14, 2008, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by fenix

Pretty sure when they designed the Champion title, and the HoM, they didn't sit down and think to themselves "this title is pretty easily farmed, lets make it rank 3 to display it".

You're dumb.

And yet for the rest of the titles they thought exactly that? No, the idea was to reward progress in all titles regardless of farmability... it just happens to be that they are. Champ isn't the only title that was originally meant to be prestigious.

Your e-peen must hurt.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Evidence in favor of this argument: the preview weekend HoM required r12 Hero and r9 of every other PvP title.

Agonized screaming in the community got them to reduce these to manageable levels, but clearly the intent of the designers was for putting something in HoM to be an accomplishment.

Yep, but they were scaled down because the HoM is more PvE-based. These are the people that are buying the farm and they present no threat to anyone who actually played their way to any rank.

PyrAnkh · Oct 14, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

There's a thread in ventari's--->services where you can buy your champ title. Presumably the same way.

fenix · Oct 14, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by Yichi

shit players w/ champ title will still be shit players w/ champ title.

This title has long been diminished of any real value when anet decided to lower the champoint range from 1500 to 1200. It was nothing but Champ point pugs from then on...

This. The only prestigious Champ titles were The Last Pride players who had rank 1-2 from 1500 rating GvGs. Champ title now is pretty terrible.

pumpkin pie · Oct 14, 2008, 07:57 AM // 07:57

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Originally Posted by fenix

Exactly. It was originally done to reward those who are high ranked, and in the case of Champion, good at GvG. Not to reward those who pay guilds and abuse game flaws.

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Originally Posted by fenix

This isn't an exploit. It's exactly how the system has worked for 3.5 years, and how it was intended on working. If there was 1 district for RA, then syncing wouldn't be possible. This only works because of empty districts. Koreans have done this LITERALLY since release.

Exploits involve abusing a bug/glitch. There is no bug or glitch. It selects the team based on the players who enter at the same time from the same district. If there are less players, then the team will be made up of whoever is there to select. There is no exploit here.

hrmz. mind boggling. i can use your own argument to argue your other argument.

fenix · Oct 14, 2008, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Except pumpkin pie, the 'quit before you load therefore not losing rating' has only been discovered recently it seems, and it is a bug with the game.

You're incorrect, and no, you can't use my argument. You're just bitter and can't tell the difference.

4thVariety · Oct 14, 2008, 09:19 AM // 09:19

It's not that different from HFFF, or any other farming method exploiting the AI or the fact that GW has refreshing instances. So it really shouldn't come as a surprise.

Titles also do not display your status. Your mind legitimizes your actions, not a green textbox below your name. So who cares if they are cheating or not, everybody can have fun anyway. it only gets nasty if people decide to play the game in order to show off.

Fril Estelin · Oct 14, 2008, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Since "someone" started deleting my post, I'll finish this off.